Ikuhara: I'll state up front that all Japanese fictional works, even for the little theater, are all manga.Anno: Yeah. It's the manga-ization[*2] of the nation. Dramas are the same, nothing but either manga with an extremely tenuous grasp on reality or documentary-like variety shows.Ikuhara: I can't say precisely what I mean by manga-like, but for one thing, such works can only show the totally familiar or the astoundingly distant. Aren't all popular songs that way? They can't speak to anything but minutae like someone's dress shirt, or about things like the edge of the universe that are so far away they can't be spoken of except in the imagination. They don't speak at all to the yawning gap in between. That's how I feel the world of manga is.Anno: Perhaps we can be at ease in a fake world because we know it's a lie from the outset. That's how the creators of manga where you'd think "There wouldn't really be a teacher like that" make drama. That's how works like "Denpa Shounen", where you never know what's going to happen next, work. Ikuhara: I read the feeling of seeking variety and such as wanting to seek corporeality.Anno: Yes, a world where something is done with the body alone. Nothing else befits a documentary. A world that shows nothing of creation.Ikuhara: Take "Utena" and "EVA". They take a fragment of our work and talk about us introducing impact into our animation, saying it's like Terayama Shushi[12]'s work or something. It's nothing that narrow, is it? I think that what appears in our works is the complex about the body that people who make made-up anime feel.Anno: I use the word "lifelike-ness". Compred to that, cel anime is pretty and virtual. Because I feel a sense of thwarted life in current cel anime, I want to try to peek at it from a slightly different direction. Like trying not to use any of the established seiyuu.Ikuhara: There are times when I want to stay away from impactful stuff and deal with the illusion. Saying one thing after another, I think everyone's deluded. Directors, animators, seiyuu, the audience, everyone is deluded while making and watching anime. I wonder if things aren't just fine that way? I don't want to brood over it. The first time I saw Terayama, I really loved it. My country bumpkin complex and my intelligencia complex give me my drive. Now that I think about it, that delusion was a godsend (laugh).Anno: In the old days, I had never seen anything like real impact, and thought the whole thing was absurd.Ikuhara: That's how it usually is.Anno: Adjusting a set in real life was such a pain. Anime and movies are much cooler.Ikuhara: That's why people quit doing theater when movies were invented. And that was precisely why I was so shocked when I saw Terayama. The pleasure of corporeality being possible. The pleasure of fiction. The kind of pleasure that makes strip-tease more engrossing than pornography.Anno: In real life, bad things happen, like rowdy neighbors at a shop, but impact isn't virtual, is it?Ikuhara: Movies are recordings, whereas the stage is a sort of "incident".Anno: Just like the difference between a war you're in and a war you see on TV.Ikuhara: It seems we can't savor the interest of becoming the people on the scene.Anno: That's because impact is tough stuff. Movies can't offer anything more than a pseudo-experience.Ikuhara: What propelled the 70's little theater boom was the feeling of wanting to be in the middle of things, wasn't it. How much of being in the middle of things is left these days? People worry about things that aren't yet firm and solid.Anno: I thought of a lot of different stuff for "KareKano", but it seems impossible to do impactfully under the current system. All the same, starting around episode 9 a lot of inexperienced kids appear, the kind for whom it's their first time in front of a mic. We'll see what happens.Ikuhara: That could be interesting.Anno: Kuni-chan, you should come on too, as a teacher or something.Ikuhara: I've gotten used to doing things halfway, but can I really? (laugh)Anno: Ah, I don't need anyone who only does things halfway. (laugh)
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